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. introduce yourself. >> i am from helena, montana. i appreciate you coming here. mr. president, i make a living selling individual health- insurance. obviously, i have paid very close attention to this insurance debate. as you know, the health insurance companies are in favor of health-care reform and have a number of very good proposals before congress to work with government to provide insurance for the uninsured and cover individuals with pre-existing conditions. why is it that you have changed your strategy from talking about health care reform to health insurance reform and decided to vilify the insurance companies? >> that is a fair question. first of all, you are absolutely right that the insurance companies in some cases have been constructive. i will give you a particular example. aetna has been working with us. that is absolutely true. there are other companies who have done the same. i want to be honest with you. i max will testify that in some cases, what we have seen is also funding in opposition by some other insurance companies to any kind of reform proposals. my intent
to arrive in montana for a town hall event, ready to challenge what he calls myths about his health care reform effort. white house officials tell me prospects are changing right now, but not in the way you think. i'll talk with white house health care czar about that, about president obama's deal with companies and the strategy after the august recess. >>> have the town hall gathering forced them to back away from the death panels? are republicans like sarah palin winning or losing? and does the president still have the communications mojo to make this work. i'll talk with paul krugman. >>> good day. i'm john harwood of cnbc and "the new york times." this is "the new york times special edition." on the front page this hour, president obama expected to arrive any moment in montana. at the end of this hour, he'll be holding his second town hall meeting on health care this week. you can see it here on msnbc. he'll hold another one tomorrow in colorado. he's trying once again to sell his plan to the people concerned about big government and price tags. no better place for that than big sky
know, growing up here in montana, wlerned values like hard work and common sense, also the difference between right and wrong. and it's just plain wrong for insurance companies to devalue coverage when you get sick and need it the most. and it's just plain wrong for insurance companies to deny people of care because of preexisting conditions. and that's why we're working so hard to craft a common sense plan that is right for our state and right for america. here in montana, we also know the value of an honest word. and let me tell you, there's plenty of dishonesty out there about what health care reform will or will not do. now, you've all seen the tv show, "myth busters," right? well, i've been going around the state busting myths about health care. whether it's bogus information about rationing care, cutting benefits for seniors or -- doctor and patient relationship, these outrageous myths are being questioned -- >> it appears that we're returning into technical problems at this town hall meeting in montana. it's gallatin field airport hangar. david schuster is still with me, but in
in montana, we learn values like hard work and common sense. we also learned the difference between right and wrong. it's just plain wrong for insurance companies to devalue coverage when you get sick and need it the most. [ applause ] >> it is just plain wrong for insurance companies to deny people care because of pre-existing conditions. that's why we are working so hard to kraft a common sense plan that is right for our state and right for america. here in montana, we also know the value of an honest word. let me tell you, there is plenty of dishonesty out there about what health care reform will or will not do. now, you've all seen the tv show, mythbusters, right? i have been going around the state busting myths about health care, whether it is bogus information about rationing care, cutting benefits for sen yu y yurs or interfering with the doctor/patient relationship. these myths are being busted right open. they are just plain balogna. that's why our president is here to talk with us and help us spread the truth about health care reform. it will lower costs. it will give -- make su
and so, i went on -- >> montana. >> and so i went searching for replacement coverage for the employees that had been laid off, only to find out that cobra doesn't apply to me because i have less than 20 employees. and that conservatively affects 80% of all workers in montana. so, they were pretty much out on their own. and i was wondering if what we can do to eliminate discrimination against small employers, as an example, we're a lumberyard, we're out there lifting boards and packing stuff all day long. every one of my remaining seven employees are fit. so, why are we and i as an employer able to provide a lesser level of benefits to my employees and yet an employer with 30 employees who sit in cubicles on their butts instead of working them off gets a better rate? >> that was a pretty good question. so, for all of you who are all sitting on your -- what did you call them? no. as i said, small businesses is probably as vulnerable as anybody. and one of the things that max has been working very hard on -- and this just doesn't get advertised, but i want to make sure e
to turn to the president now. he is on his way to montana for another health care town hall. why montana? is there an expectation for a lively debate at this town hall? >> montana is a historical red state. there might be a bit more of an opportunity for controversy. on tuesday in portsmouth, new hampshire, he solicited more skeptical questions. we will see if that plays out. montana is also the home of max baucus. that committee will be the center of gravity. when congress comes back in the middle of september, the white house has set this deadline for the committee. if it does not, the white house has indicated, it might proceed strictly on its own without the -- without republicans on board. max baucus is a central figure in this legislative drama. rick: we want to hear from you if you have received an unsolicited email from the white house. tell us about it. for moron this, we have a couple of great guests. we're also joined by an editor for "the national review." everybody hates chain letters. >> particularly, if they are coming from the white house. rick: what do you make all of th
. he was all hat and plenty of cattle. the governor of montana will join me in just a moment. plus, the dumber than joe the plumber crazies are ratcheting up the madness. congressman adam schiff, he drew a crowd of 3,000 people to his town hall. he'll join me to talk about it at the bottom of the hour, what he ran into. >>> the newster's got a six-point battle plan for caribou barbie. newt, i got one for you too, number seven. sarah, stop lying to people about how the death panel's going to be wiping out the senior citizen population in america. stephen a. smith is in the houston night. the national football league and the philadelphia eagles a have decided to give michael vick a second chance. are you ready to give michael vick a second chance? get your cell phones out right now and text "a" for yes and "b" for no to 622639. we'll have a big discussion on this tonight. all that, and of course the drugster is back in "psycho talk." "daily show" co-creator lizz winstead weighs in on the edwards baby daddy drama. it will be a dandy. >>> first tonight's "op ed." all right, the preside
his health care plan in montana, but is everybody buying what the president is selling? >> we keep getting the bull. that's all we get. is bull. you can't tell us how you're going to pay for this. >> reporter: plus, michael vick returns to the nfl after two years in prison for dogfighting. >> i was wrong for what i did. after everything that happened at that point in time, my life was wrong. to this day, i can't understand why i was involved in such pointless activity. >> not everyone is welcoming him with open arms. >> i'm just a little upset with it, because i'm such an animal lover. >> crazy signing. i don't know what they'll do with the public relations part of it. >> has vick paid enough of a price for his crime? >>> and the stories you may have missed this week. chuck grassley's blast at the president, and the town halls that didn't turn into shout fests. >>> plus, what happens when three rock gods get together on the same stage? warning. it might get loud. ♪ >>> hi, everybody. campbell brown off today. those are our big questions. but we start with our look at the stories
this done. this is obviously a tough time in america, a tough time here in montana. just six months ago we were in the middle of the worst recession in our lifetimes. we were losing about 700 jobs each month. economists of all stripes feared a second coming of the great depression. that is why we acted as best as we could to pass a recovery plan to stop the freefall. i want to just beat briefly about the recovery plan because that has our people's view of the health care debate. the recovery plan was divided into three parts. one-third of the money in the revery act went to tax cuts that have already started showing up in the paychecks of about 400,000 working families in montana. 400,000 working families have seen their taxes reduced because of the recovery act. [applause] we also cut taxes for small businesses on the investments that they make in more than 200 montanans small businesses have qualified for new loans backed by the recovery act, including ten businesses right in the boseman area. [applause] another one-third of the money in the recovery act is for emergency relief for folks
with a cowboy hat, absolutely. you've got a little plaque on there. >> montana ambassadors. we're business advisory group appointed by the governor. we've served three republican and two democratic governors and i'd like to welcome you on behalf of the montana ambassadors. >> thank you so much. you make a great ambassador. >> thank you. my question, and i'm glad you called on me, it has to do with the cobra question because i'm in the building materials business. i own a lumberyard in a beautiful little town of 1,000 people about 40 miles southwest of here, innes, and i was -- when the economy took a nose dive, i was forced to take my workforce from 11 people to 6, and i'm one of, like most employers in america, i want to provide. i think it's my responsibility to provide health insurance. you like to take care of our peeps, so to speak. >> [ inaudible ]. >> so i went searching for replacement coverage for employees that went off only to find out that cobra doesn't apply to me because i have less than 20 employees and that conservatively affects 80% of all workers in montana. so they were
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on "the kudlow report," president obama took his town hall health care defense to montana today and blamed tv coverage and insurance companies for all his problems in selling the government takeover. check this out. >> i know there's been a lot of attention paid to some of the town hall meetings that are going on around the country especially when tempers flare. tv loves a ruckus. >> yeah, tv loves a ruckus. he also wants to tax richard and he continues to fall behind in the polls. so can republicans ride this protest to a congressional victory in 2010? we have an all-star panel to discuss it all. plus, power, money and sex. bernard madoff's mistress comes clean. but will 20 years of pillow talk dig up any more dirt on his multimillion-dollar ponzi scheme? and the new bull market took a breather for the day and the week but pullbacks are healthy. and today's numbers show rising production with zero inflation, real wages going up along with producti productivity and profits. i am sticking with the new bull market story. fasten your seat belts. "the kudlow report" begins right now. >>> good
hall meeting today in belgrade, montana, according to the associated press, as many as 500 protesters are expected to rally outside the event which is taking place in an airport hangar. live coverage starts at 3:00 p.m. eastern on c-span2. conservative lawyers and activists are meeting in pittsburgh tonight for the second annual rite on-line conference. keynote speaker is former congressman pat toomey who is running for the senate in pennsylvania. coverage on c-span starts at 7:40 eastern. tonight on book tv a conversation with author christopher buckley, the son of william f. buckley jr. and his latest book is a memoir called losing mom and pop. book tv's index starts at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span2. >> the newest supreme court justice, sonia sotomayor, attended a white house reception with president obama. we will show it as part of c-span's america and the courts saturday at 7:00 p.m. eastern. >> this fall, and to the home to america's highest court, from the grand public places to those only accessible to the 9 justices, the supreme court, coming the first sunday in october on c-s
's meeting in montana. joining us from big sky montana is mike emanuel. good morning early to you. how did this town hall meeting go yesterday? spent it was pretty good, alysin president obama today will be parked tourist in chief taking his family to yellowstone park, doing another town hall event in grand junction, colorado. the president yesterday was in belgrade, montana, the home state of max baucus was in the middle of healthcare reform negotiations as chairman of the senate finance committee. the pitching montana is with healthcare reform. insurers would not be able to drop you if you become seriously ill. mr. obama's town hall and montana had a very campaign to appeal there was thought president obama might get feisty questions from people opposed to healthcare reform the present mostly softball questions and made reference to some of the fireworks we have seen on the news this summer with members of congress singles events. what's take a listen. st. ann out there has been a lot of attention paid to some of the town hall meetings on time around the country, especially when tepper's
with montana democrats. and now the denver post one of the largest papers in the mountain region is calling for a public option, saying it's the only way to bring about real reform. it it's the best way to slow escalating health care costs and expand access to quality care. the country ultimately will lose if the public option vanishes because of the democratic's best effort to reform health care. what's going on with max baucus. >> i think we'll feel the impact of that editorial, we have got a lot of congressional elections here that are going to be contested. congressman john salazar is up for a tough election. becky mary up for a tough election and i think you'll see the republican editorial peace sup for debate. they have said that they conc t conceptually support a public option. but you never know what's going to happen in the negotiation. in relation to max baucus, a new poll came out showing that the democrats in montana, quite a small state are extremely unhappy with baucus on the issue of health care and baucus who said he strongly supports a public option, but has subsequently -
know, a lot of people talk about max bachus. max bachus pays attention to what people say in montana. he does. there's been single payors in his state. and this republican force is going to die. when grassley said the other day he pretty much admitted this was a farce, chairman baucus knows he has to get a bill out of this committee and if he only has democrats to work with, guess what the majority democrats on his committee favor a political option. if he's going to get a bill out of this committee with zero republican boats it's going to have to have a public option in the senate finance bill; otherwise, there isn't going to be a bill, right? and he knows there has to be a bill. so it matters what you say. it's one of the reasons i've been very careful not to criticize individual senators. i don't mind talking about their views because at the end, i think we're going to get almost every democratic senator. almost every one because there's not going to be any republicans. they're not going to be interested in forming the bill and, therefore, the democratic caucus is going to have a
force one and ed henry tells us from big sky, montana, that instead of just sightseeing the president is mixing business with pleasure. >> reporter: sure, montana is a nice place to visit this time of year. but the president had more on his mind than just fly fishing. he also came for urgent business, buttering up the state's senior senator and chairman of the finance committee, max baucus, who could hold the fate of health reform in his hands. >> fist rst of all, the man who working tirelessly to make sure that the american people get a fair deal when it comes to health care in america, please give max baucus a big round of applause. >> reporter: in private, top presidential advisors admit the fight has reached a critical age. the opposition has gained steam, capitalizing on anger over debt the and bailout at town hall meetings. >> where does that state that government has these powers to take over health care? >> reporter: by comparison, the president's town hall here was pretty tame. though he did get one pointed question that reflected the strong opposition he's facing. >> we keep
slipping, president obama hit the road again this time in belgrade, montana. the crowd was much friendlier than those rowdy town halls we have seen, but the president finally did get a couple of questions that were not complete softballs. chuck todd joins us in a moment from montana. plus, you know those end of life counsel prognosis visions in the health care bills which republicans, like sarah palin, have distorted into death panels? it turns out republicans were actually for end of life counseling before they were against it. that's just one of the inconsistencies we'll discuss with republican john culbertsoc. >> and how far has he fallen? there is a report that john edwards is about to finally admit he is the father of his mistress's child? where would he be if edwards had not been so wisely dejected by wise democratic voters last year. >> and bill clinton has some tough words on the networks crowd on don't ask don't tell. >> and what does it mean to be palinized? ask one who says it could easily happen to her. the definition coming up on the hardball side show. >>> first president oba
. >>> president obama faced more skeptics of his health care plan in in montana yesterday and one of the toughest questions was about how the government will pay. what obama will do to cover for 46 million uninsured americans. as ed henry reports, the president admitted it won't be easy. >> reporter: sure, montana is a nice place to visit this time of year but the president had more on his mind than just fly fishing. he also came for urgent business. buttering up the state senior's senior and chairman of the finance committee max baucus who could hold the fate of health reform in his hands. >> first of all, the man who is working tirelessly to make sure that the american people get a fair deal when it comes to health care in america, please give max baucus a big round of applause. >> reporter: in private, top presidential advisers acknowledge the fight has reached a critical stage because the opposition has gained some steam. capitalizing on anger over federal bailouts and debt at many congressional town hall meetings. >> -- the government has these powers to take over health care? >> reporter: b
for health care reform slipping, president obama hit the road again. this time in belgrade, montana. the crowd was much friendlier than those rowdy town halls we've seen from members of congress, but the president finally did get a couple of questions that were not complete softballs. chuck todd joins us in a moment from montana. >>> plus, you know those end of life counseling provisions in the health care bills which republicans like sarah palin have distorted into death panels? well, it turns out that republicans like sarah palin were actually for end of life counseling before they were against it. that's just one of the inconsistencies we'll discuss with an opponent of reform, republican congressman john culberson of texas joining us in a moment. >>> also, how far has he fallen? 24r is a report that john edwards is about to finally admit that he is, indeed, the father of his mistress' child. so where would we be if edwards had not been so decisively rejected by wise democratic primary voters last year? >>> plus, bill clinton has some tough words for the netroots crowd on don't as
're live in the "cnn newsroom." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> arkansas, montana, light-years from the corridors of power, so today power comes to them. members of congress and president obama holding health care town halls in those states and more as we near the halfway point in a make-or-break month. the big event of the day starts an hour and 45 minutes from now. president obama in big sky country pitching reform to what may be the toughest audience yet. you'll see it live right here in the "cnn newsroom." >>> i just hope he rests easy finally. i hope it gives his family some peace. captain scott speicher's navy buddies speaks for the entire country, really, as the gulf war pilot is honored and laid to rest. early this morning thousands of people began lining the streets of jacksonville, florida, for captain speicher's funeral procession, after a public memorial at the city's veteran wall, the motorcade slowly driving by his church, his old high school, bound for a private family burial. this final salute comes 18 years after he was shot down over iraq and disappeared
for president obama in this make or break month for reform. >> reporter: sure, montana is a nice place to visit this time of year. the president had more on his mind than flying fishing. he also came for urgent business. buttering up the state's senior citizen and chairman of the finance committee, max baucus, who could hold the fate of health reform in his hand. >> first of all, the man who is working tirelessly to make sure that the american people get a fair deal when it comes to health care in america, please give max baucus a big round of applause. >> in private, top presidential advisers ab advisers acknowledge that the fight has reached a critical stage as the opposition has reef reached soming. >> reporter: by comparison, the president's town hall here was pretty tame, thou he did get one pointed question that reflected the strong opposition he is facing. >> we keep getting the bull. that's all we get, is bull. you can't tell us how you are going to pay for this. the only way you are going to get that money is to raise our taxes. you said you wouldn't. >> look, you are absolutely right,
there in montana. 47% of the people in montana want a public health insurance plan. 43% oppose it. that's according to a new research 2000 poll. this proves healthcare reform is not just a liberal issue. it's harder to find a redder state than montana. a lot of guns up there. plus baucus has got problems with the democratic base. 55% of montana democrats disapprove of his handling of healthcare. baucus is feeling the heat from lefties. he was getting hammered on a conference call with democrats last monday night and wound up saying, "i want a public option too." very interesting. now we know baucus likes the public option because he put it out at his healthcare playbook back in november after the election. he did that. so that's a position, a flip, and a flip. okay. so what's changed? the town hall nuts are making their knees shaky? is that what's going on? or is it all the industry money in the pockets? speaking of industry money, ken conrad, north dakota senator, chairman of the senate budget committee and wone of the gang f six, or musketeers of six on the finance committee. he's pushing the cra
expect or what can we expect from the crowd in montana? >> we are hearing that outside this airport hangar there will be demonstrations. a local tea party group predicts hundreds rallying against this legislation but there are at least one group supporting healthcare reform that will be there. in new hampshire outside there was a little bit of a rally but inside a more sympathetic crowd than we have seen at the confrontational town halls. the white house said nobody was preselected, that not all town halls are screaming matches. tuesday in new hampshire this was done by an onstar hotline lottery. today it is a line-up of first-come, first-served so we expect the dynamic could be different. as you mentioned senator max baucus will be attending. his home state. he is the key figure. he is part of the gang of six a bipartisan group, three republicans, lee democrats trying to negotiate in the senate a compromise deal. so a key figure. bill: polling shows a drop in the support of the healthcare reform bill. how is the white house reacting to that? >> we had a relevant poll out yesterday
-election at all. his polls are way down out in montana and this is a somewhat embattled figure within washington. this is someone that a lot of democrats just don't trust. a lot of republicans don't trust and -- >> why don't they trust him? why don't they trust him? is it because he doesn't -- i mean, does he go back on his word or is he just a guy who doesn't play sides? >> i think he's a guy -- i think probably more the latter. i think, you know, he was for the bush tax cuts in 2001. he had to deal with chuck grassley last year and then he sort of turned around and supported the democrats on a key medicare bill last summer. he does sort of play both sides of the fence which i guess is smart if you want to get re-elected every six years in montana but, again, he seemed shell-shocked by the whole situation now. i saw him in a town hall meeting. he was actually surrounded by youtubes as he called him, which i think he meant cameras. no, it's true. there are even people with youtubes in the audience and i was like, whoa. he said i think i meant cameras but, anyway, i put it in my story. it went vi
, colorado. his meeting just like the one in montana have been tamer than some of what we've seen. also in his weekly address, the president urging americans to turn down the temperature and listen more. >> i know there's plenty of real concern and skepticism out there. the idea of change can be unsettling, and i know there's some folks who believe that government should have no role at all in solving our problems. these are legitimate differences, worthy of the real discussion that america deserves. >> now, the first family is traveling along on this road trip, seeing the sights like yellowstone national park. why is he focusing on the traditional red states? ed henry takes a look behinl the health care fight. >> reporter: sure, montana is a nice place to visit this time of year. but the president had more on his mind than just fly fishing. he also came for urgent business. buttering up the state's senior senator and chairman of the finance committee max baucus who could hold the fate of health reform in his hands. >> first of all, the man who is working tirelessly to make sure that th
of the house ways and means committee. congressman, welcome. i want to take you to montana. this is a town hall debate that the president had. listen to randy rathy, what he had to say. >> max baucus, our senator, has been locd up in a dark room there for months now trying to come up with some money to pay for these programs and we keep getting the bull. that's all we get is bull. you can't tell us how you're going to pay for this. you're saving here, you're saving over there. going to take a little money there, take a little money there. you have no money. the only way to ge that money is to raise our taxes. you said you wouldn't. max baucus says he doesn't want to put a bill out that will. but that's the only way you can do that. >> congressman, isn't he right? >> i can't believe that -- that our democracy is so fragile that people have no answer to a very serious problem would just try to create animosity and hatred rather than try to sit down and first find out what is the problem, how costly is it and what does it take in order to stop it. there's no question that almost everyone listening
to campaign in. but in montana, in north dakota, in states like that, that money goes a long, long way. so it's a lot cheaper to buy those senators, and those senators are more than happy to make that money because it sort of frees them from the responsibility or the chore of having to raise money from actual average, regular americans. it's easier to get that $5,000 check or that pac money than it is to ask some regular american for a $20 contribution. >> so what do we do about this now? >> well, i mean, we're going to have to keep fighting the way we're fighting it. it's a propaganda war in a lot of ways. i mean, you have the insurance companies doing these -- these astroturf protests trying to sort of create this impression that this is a broad american mandate against health care reform. we see the polls. we see the numbers. it's obviously not true. americans want reform. they want it desperately. and i think we need to keep talking about it and keep pushing and keep calling and writing legislators and reminding them that they made a campaign promise to support and to reform the system, t
committee, chairman max baucus of montana now suddenly he's gone away, it seems like, or has he. how do you read that. >> there are two chuck grassleys. the one without premiers in washington, but then there is the one without went home. and i gather some of the town hall meetings are happening in iowa, and iowans are good about this thing, are triple the size of normal. he goes home and listens and gets threatened we're going to defeat new 2010. he's up in this coming election. and he doesn't want to get defeated. and that's been, i think, the overall effect of this august. which is a lot of people and parts of the country, the health-care reform is recently po popular but in the midwest in particular and some areas of the south and places like florida, it's quite unpopular. so he has to face the fact do i really want to lose my seat over this. and so i just think it's in some sense a democratic process that is creating the other chuck grassley. >> i think there is en another chuck grassley which is -- >> three chuck grassleys. >> exactly. you know, it's some horrible science fiction movie
senator max baucus of montana. oh, and congressman bachus later admitted he made a mistake and meant to say deficit. social security could face a deficit within two years. first chance at default would be 2037 so fox got the name wrong and branch of government wrong and political party wrong and the quote and fact wrong. there's been no correction. >>> dateline washington, number two best ex-politician oopsie. tom delay now affiliated with "dancing with the stars" on with chris, never mind for a moment he turned into one of those invasion of the body snatchers, conspiracy theory birther things listen for the blooper. >> will you do me a favor. ask the president to show me his gift certificate? i mean his girth certificate? his birth certificate. >> that's how obama can reform health care. send everybody a gift certificate. genius. genius, i tell you. and dateline la marque, texas, number one best politician oopsie. senator kay bailey hutchison vowing to make education a cornerstone of her candidacy for governor which she announced at la marque high where she was coronation queen in 1
't even consider single payor conservative senator from montana who leads the committee that is now dropping the public option, even max bachus was in favor of the public option as recently as last november when he published his big hundred-page health care proposal that called for, quote, a new public option, a new public plan option similar to medicare. so if max baucus was in favor of a public option and president obama was in favor of a public option, and a public option survived through three house committees and one senate committee that passed bills on health care reform so far, why is the public option dying now? it's dying because of a collapse of political ambition. the democrats are too scared of their own shadow to use the majority the american people elected them to in november to actually pass something they said they favored. senator baucus has decided to take decision making about health care reform out of the full committee on which democrats have a huge majority and instead he wants it to be decided by a mini committee that he made up that's three senators from eac
, senator baccus of montana, who many do not believe is a democrat. independent voters are the most crucial in terms of general elections. as tony said, the legislative process is sausage-making. some good, some bad -- no one will be totally satisfied. but i do think president obama will sign a bill and it will be called "the health care reform bill." not everyone will be happy. but they have been trying to do this since harry truman. guest: the reason that very liberal chairman head committees -- both parties have done an effective job going through redistricting cycles. we re-draw district lines. both republicans and democrats have put keep members in safe districts. --key members in six districts. that is where the longevity comes from. and addressing your the they lead up to these positions and find themselves out of step with members who come from more competitive districts -- and it keeps them in these positions. guest: it is really the incumbent preservation or both parties make a deal -- do not tamper with my district because we both want to return to serve in office. redistricting
've got some democrats who are going along with the industry. max baucus, the senator from montana, for example, the most important figure right now in this health care legislation that's being written in the senate. he's resisted, including a public insurance option in the reform bill, right? >> that's right. >> moyers: why is the industry so powerful on both sides of the aisle? >> well, money and relationships, ideology. the relationships. an insurance company can hire, and does hire, many different lobbying firms. and they hire firms that are predominantly republican and predominantly democrat. and they do this because they know they need to reach influential members of congress like max baucus. so there are people who used to work for max baucus who are in lobbying firms or on the staff of companies like cigna or the association itself. >> moyers: yeah, i just read the other day in "the washington post" that max baucus' staff met with a group of lobbyists. two of them had been baucus' former chiefs of staff. >> right. >> moyers: i mean, they left the government. they go to work
committee. friday in montana and others. and our preference is to work through this process and hopefully come out with the bill that has agreement amon. >> do expect any republicans to vote on this bill? >> think many would like to see some health care reform. i trust the the three republicans working in the senate finance committee are doing so in good faith. i have no reason to believe they are not. >> how was it that you think you can achieve a bipartisan bill when it seems you're having trouble achieving a partisan bill? with the divisions between the democratic party right now, between the blue dogs and of the progressives in the house? >> i think that -- there blue dogs on the energy and commerce committee that voted out a bill on the house side before we left for recess. so i think this notion that it is impossible even to get agreement on our side on what a health care plan looks like belies the notion of this is a piece of legislation that went through not one, not two, but three committees on the house side. i think the notion that we cannot get something done like that just is
winner now. i mean, the president was in montana. he was in colorado doing these town hall forums. the one in new hampshire trying to snatch back the conversation, the agenda from the sarah palins and the newt gingrichs who had been driving a lot of the talk about imaginary death panels and things like that. and i think mickey's right. they've been playing a good inside game, but they've been playing this for months now, and that they had to, at the end of august, snatch it back shows that they weren't doing a terribly good job. and now that we're in august when people are starting not to pay attention, we'll see if the image that sits in the american people's heads when they're on the beat is that president obama, at those town hall forums, or is it back to sarah palin and death panels and all of the negative messages that the republicans have been trying to set in the american mindset? >> winners and losers from where you sit. >> i think it's right. i think that they're basically trying to survive august, right? the senate finance committee is both the winner and the loser, and
f town hall meetings -- the president will hold one in montana on friday and another in colorado on saturday. it reflects a growing concern within the administration that the most vocal critics of this health-care plans are now dominating the debate. we want to hear from our viewers today on what they think about the tunnel meetings going on across the nation. if you want to call in on the republican line, you can also send us an e-mail or a comment on twitter. following up. "wall street journal" are also discussing the meeting in portsmouth, this reporter writes, the town hall meeting here was the first of three this week as the president tried to regain his footing. it features the largest protest of the obama presidency. mr. obama has acknowledged for weeks that passing a plan to rein in health-care spending, and the other concerns about reform would be difficult. inside of portsmouth high school obama faced a from the crowd, so much so that he sought out of questioners. participants were picked from a lottery. outside the gathering verged on a street brawl. the opposing force
today. the topic, health care reform. max baucus of montana said it is on track to reach an agreement. chuck grassley isn't so sure. he doesn't see the kind of broad-based support that that bill will need. >>> ailing senator ted kennedy has sent a leader to ask quickly to allow them to change a law to quickly replace him in the senate. this comes amid growing concern with kennedy's batual brain cancer. ted kennedy wants the governor, duval patrick, to appoint someone to the seat when he dies. current state law requires a special election within five months of a vacancy. >>> the national hurricane center has downgraded hurricane bill to a category 3 storm. it is still quite a potent storm. it is still very dangerous. chad myers is in the cnn weather center with more on bill's current track and what it could mean to people living along the eastern seaboard, specifically new england, right? >> new england probably some wind and waves. i'm telling you all the way to new england, the waves this weekend are going to be dangerous. they're going to be deadly, chuck. literally. the waves under
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